Mandombe.

Frequent commenter Y wrote me as follows:

I happened to see the Wikipedia article on the Kimbanguist church of the DRC (formerly Zaïre), a messianic Christian movement. It’s quite interesting in itself, but what caught my attention is the Mandombe script, said by its inventor to have been revealed to him through Simon Kimbangu himself. The script’s appearance and logic are to me spectacularly strange, like nothing I have seen before except maybe some ciphers. A Unicode encoding is underway (the proposal has various examples of the script in use).

He also sent me a Wayback Machine link to a pdf of Helma Pasch’s 2010 article “Mandombe” for Afrikanistik. It really is a remarkable script; I don’t think I could learn to use it myself, but I’m glad it exists.

Comments

  1. David Marjanović says:

    Well, I think we can say that Kimbangu was not dyslexic.

  2. Maybe that’s a way to do spelling reform? Just tell that god ordered you to spell something this or that way and who can tell differently?

  3. @D.O.: Written norms, written language itself, and “high” languages under diglossia have a history of being treated as divine or sacred (whence Jean-Noël Robert’s “hieroglossia” moniker). I find it interesting to speculate on the connection between writing and religion/mystical revelation.

  4. I’ve looked at descriptions of Madombe before and been unable to understand how it works. After looking at the 2016 Unicode proposal I think I get it, and will attempt to summarize very briefly here.

    There are consonantal bases and vowels which attach to them to form a glyph representing a CV syllable. So far a fairly standard abugida, but the twist is that the glyphs for the (first twenty) consonants are formed from only five consonantal bases, which are rotated and reflected so that each can appear in four different forms representing different consonants. This is reminiscent of Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics, but here changing the consonant instead of the vowel. And there doesn’t seem to be any systematic phonological relationship between the consonants represented by transformations of the same base; e.g. the first one is b-/d-/g-/f-, the second m-/k-/p-/l-. The whole glyph undergoes this transformation, including the vowel marker; moreover most of the consonantal bases are rotationally symmetrical, so often the position and orientation of the vowel appendage distinguishes pairs of syllables with different consonants, e.g. be vs de or gi vs fi. A fifth, null consonant base allows bare vowel syllables to be expressed; its transformations represent h- and -h (???) syllables.

    Then there are consonants for gb, kp and kt, which are formed by modification of the b, k & t bases respectively.

    Beyond this, there are a set of vowel diacritics which can be added to syllabic glyphs to represent diphthongs; a vowel nasalization diacritic; and elements which can be added to the consonantal base to add prenasalization and form consonant clusters with intervening l and r. A null vowel marker allows glyphs representing bare consonants.

  5. Thanks, that’s very helpful.

  6. Of course, only now do I notice that I mistyped “Mandombe”…

  7. David Eddyshaw says:

    Written norms, written language itself, and “high” languages under diglossia have a history of being treated as divine or sacred

    Perhaps there’s something of a chicken-and-egg thing going on: I suppose that “high” languages in a diglossic situation are generally (always?) linguistically archaising, and given the sheer intellectual difficulty of maintaining a consistently archaic form of language, you’re going to need a powerful motivation: religion is an obvious one, especially if your religion is one where the ipsissima verba are necessary for your hymn/prayer/spell/whatever to be effective.

    Perhaps secular linguistic peevery is the poor orphaned remnant of this religious motive in an unbelieving age? It might account for some of the disproportionate emotional investment so often associated with it.

    Then there are consonants for gb, kp and kt, which are formed by modification of the b, k & t bases respectively.

    On the face of it, that’s a bit odd: k͡p g͡b are common as single phonemes in Africa (though not so much in this area) whereas kt isn’t. I suppose it just shows that despite its deliberate oddness the system is really parasitic on the Latin alphabet (unlike Cherokee, say.)

  8. David Marjanović says:

    (always?)

    On average, probably, but not in every detail. Standard German has a more conservative grammar than my dialect, has less syn- and apocope, and lacks a pervasive consonant lenition process; but each has kept vowel distinctions the other has lost, and the dialect keeps a few vowels the standard has syncopated.

  9. That’s probably not true for many languages which got their literary standards in 19-20th centuries.

    Cantonese (and most other Sinitic varieties) is more archaic than Mandarin Chinese, all Tibetan dialects are archaic compared to modern literary Tibetan based on Lhasa dialect, etc…

  10. January First-of-May says:

    Supposedly, many Russian dialects (…to the extent that any survive) still have a sound for ѣ separate from е, which is something that the literary language lost centuries ago.

  11. David Eddyshaw says:

    Come to think of it, whether there are archaic tendencies in the “high” language is not relevant to the more general point; the mere fact that it is different imposes a cognitive cost.

    Modern nation-building with its secular ethos of cultural homogeneity has presumably supplanted religion as the driver of diglossia, so that the effort of maintaining diglossia is now imposed on citizens by economic necessity or indeed by straightforward state coercion.

  12. You lost me there.

    Why knowing and using two languages is a bad thing exactly?

  13. David Eddyshaw says:

    It isn’t, unless it leads to loss of the “low” language. This isn’t an issue if the motivation for knowing the “high” language is purely religious (I can’t think of any instances where that has ever happened); when the motive is nationalist that is not only common but often a deliberate plan.

  14. Almeida Samo says:

    Mandombe 52 is a very advanced science unlike anything the world have ever seen. The inscrip MASONO is just a part of a wide range of other studies such as architecture, maths and KIMAZAYI(not translated) all based in Kikongo language, the language of the Gods.

  15. Trond Engen says:

    Oh, so it’s Kikongo that is the language of the gods? Finally! All the other claims I’ve seen have seemed so dubious that I almost doubted there were such a thing at all.

  16. Stu Clayton says:

    We have the Ancient Greeks to thank for showing how spiteful and ego-trippy the gods can be, including the language they used. Not a good example for the kids.

  17. John Cowan says:

    Modern nation-building with its secular ethos of cultural homogeneity has presumably supplanted religion as the driver of diglossia, so that the effort of maintaining diglossia is now imposed on citizens by economic necessity or indeed by straightforward state coercion.

    Well, in diglossic nations, yes: Scotland and Jamaica, e.g. But the result can also be a collection of mesolects, as in (white) America, England, or Germany.

    This isn’t an issue if the motivation for knowing the “high” language is purely religious (I can’t think of any instances where that has ever happened)

    See my writeup of the weird case of modern Burmese: one language, two grammars. This is distinct from the village of Kupwar (eheu fugaces!), with its three languages but only one grammar (2008, 2014).

  18. there doesn’t seem to be any systematic phonological relationship between the consonants represented by transformations of the same base

    There’s however a sign of a relationship with the Latin alphabet. b d f g are the first four consonants that have an exact equivalent in the languages written in Mandombe. The next four common to all of them would be k l m n, though for some reason n gets skipped and we get instead the set k l m p. (Tshiluba does have j /ʒ/, and Swahili h /h/ & j /dʒ/ ; if Wikipedia’s phonological inventories are to be trusted, Kikongo and Lingala lack these though.) After this would be r s t v; now r gets skipped and instead n is added in this set. Lastly we wrap up with w y z and add r in this set.

    I have no idea though about the logic behind group and family numbering. /b d f g/ as group 2 still at least has the families in alphabetic order, but the others are /k m l p/ as group 3, /n v s t/ as group 1, /w r z y/ as group 4. (A “pure” application of the alphabetic theory would probably rather predict group 1: /b d f g/, group 2: /k l m n/, group 3: /p r s t/, group 4: /v w y z/.)

  19. Almeida Samo says:

    What you see as consonants in mandombe are called MVUALA(Not translated) They are consonants if used for writing. In mandombe mechanics they can be the motor parts, and in architecture they are the bricks. Mandombe 52 is a multi dimensional science revealed from the spitual world by Kimbangu to properly codifi all the existing science and that to come, actually hidden in the African languages.

  20. Almeida Samo says:

    Mandombe starts from two elements that looks like 5 and 2 named PAKUNDUNGU and PELEKETE in Kikongo language. These 2 elements were found in the brick wall, they ‘re simetric and obeying the optical laws(if you look 5 in the mirror turns into 2. Vice versa)
    These two elements are added a third element called HIKAMU which can turne a 5 into 9 or 6, and 2 into a backward 9 or 6.
    Here Biggins the TWIST.
    The HIKAMU is rotated in various angels not non to the modern science, starting from 0 degree, 45, 90, 135, 180 degree. The 180 degree is not used for writing. Only in mathematics.

  21. John Cowan says:

    In Greece, the end of diglossia took place because the H variety lost too many domains (starting with literature), became associated with political conservatism, and finally expired altogether. I keep wondering if that might happen in Haiti too,

  22. ə de vivre says:

    I have nothing to add except that I once worked with a Congolese guy who was thinking of moving to Quebec City because that’s where many members of his church had ended up. At the time, I wondered if he knew what he was getting himself into and thought that Quebec City and Kinshasa, where he was originally from, might be the two places most unlike each other in la francophonie.

  23. J.W. Brewer says:

    One twist on David E’s observation that nationalism has replaced religion as a primary motivator of continued diglossia: as I understand the situation in Greece, ecclesiastical circles are one of the few remaining cultural redoubts in which katharevousa remained (and remains) in active use after the secular authorities threw in the towel and went all-demotic-all-the-time.

    If by the “H variety” in Haiti, John C. means “something more or less resembling standard French”, that’s still a rather useful language to know if you’re going to leave home and travel in the wider world, which is not a feature katharevousa possessed.

  24. David Marjanović says:

    In b4 “all Greek to me”.

  25. John Cowan says:

    Certainly French is very useful outside Haiti, but Haitian extended to H domains would be far more useful inside Haiti, since it is the best language of all but epsilon of the population.

  26. After the 2010 disaster is Haiti, I remember Wyclef Jean announced he was going to run in the Haitian presidential elections that fall. I heard him interviewed on the radio, and he started off with a really strong Haitian accent. However, as the reporter asked him pointed questions about why he, a rapper, who had no public sector experience, and had never lived in Haiti as an adult, was qualified to lead Haiti, he slipped fairly rapidly back into his relatively normal African-American accent, as he floundered about trying to justify his candidacy. (He was, soon thereafter, ruled ineligible.)

  27. Almeida Samo says:

    Mandombe 52 is a science. The writing system is just part of it, demonstrating how sounds are geometrically created, end their application.
    Mandombe writing system only function properly in science if writing Bantu languages or any other syllabic languages, in which the the syllabus are the crystalized cosmic sounds like in Kikongo language obeying the principal of rotation and combinatory simetry. The Kikongo language already had the attributes to be written with mandombe.
    For instance: in Kikongo to say ELEFANT is NZAMBA with 2 syllabus NZA and MBA, in progressive order. If written in regressive order is MBANZA or BIG CITY.
    Can’t do this with the word ELEFANT.
    There are only few words in English language capable to be written in both directions, and have simetry like: OK/KO the state of the boxers before and after fight.
    In Kikongo the all language is created like this.

  28. David Marjanović says:

    English simply has a lot more different syllables than Kikongo. The rest is statistics.

  29. Almeida Samo says:

    The syllables in Kikongo are like rubic cubes when written in mandombe, they become real structure. Before mandombe the Kikongo syllables where used only for magic powers where words become living things. I know this sounds like hoohoo. But with mandombe words become structure as well.
    With mandombe we can design buildings and compex computer circuits using Kikongo words

  30. January First-of-May says:

    English simply has a lot more different syllables than Kikongo. The rest is statistics.

    Pretty much; you’d probably get effects similar to the described Kikongo scenario in, say, Japanese.
    OTOH, English also almost certainly has a lot more different words than Kikongo, which somewhat counteracts the effect.

    There are of course a lot of English words that become other words when spelled backwards (the classic example pair is “live” and “evil”); there are probably also many English words that become other words in the verlan-esque transformation described by Almeida Samo, though offhand I can’t think of any.

  31. Almeida Samo says:

    The concept of syllables of the Kikongo language is hard to be understood by the western science that only focus on material side of things. Kikongo is not created in alphabetical order, but in meanly 16 syllables called MAZITA, the same as the Japanese MORA. It’s like this 16 sounds came from another advanced rhelm of existence and their are the building blocks of everything in the physical rhelm.
    Therefore the words are created using this same syllables.
    Exemple: NZAMBA(elefant), NZAMBI(God), the same NZA and MBA is used for both God and Elefant. In Kikongo only the vowel (a) as true existence. The other 4 vowels are the manifestation of (a) in 4 other degrees of sound. Therefore the MBA of NZAMBA is the same as the MBI of NZAMBI. In MBA is absolute fire and MBI interiorized fire

  32. Almeida Samo says:

    The MAZITA or syllables of Kikongo are composed with a consonant and a vowel. The consonant is an open angle that is closed with a vowel. All the words end with a vowel so that no angle is left open. We call the vowels BISIMBA and the consonants MVUALA. The BISIMBA are attached to MVUALA to form the MAZITA(ties) to create sound, where the consonants are like envelopes that conceals the messages in the vowels.
    When we write with only consonants and fewer vowels like in English, the MANDOMBE becomes useless scientifically.

  33. Jen in Edinburgh says:

    Compound words should do it easily enough – there’s the famous houseboat and boathouse, and overturn and turnover also come to mind.

    No doubt there are words that just do it by chance, but they’re harder to think of!

  34. David Eddyshaw says:

    IIRC, some of the Japanese Kokugaku

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokugaku

    scholars were given to a similar mystical interpretation of the syllables of Japanese, presumably because – as with Kikongo – there aren’t all that many distinct ones. This enables idiosyncratic ideas about how the favoured language works, and (of course) its privileged relationship to Life, the Universe and Everything.

    Mind you, I just linked to a paper elsewhere which suggests that there is at least one language in Africa in which “syllable” (as opposed to “mora”) is not a useful concept at all. And Randy LaPolla would probably approve …

  35. Almeida Samo says:

    The strange thing with MANDOMBE presumably just discovered, complement the Kikongo language that exist for millions of years. Looks like MANDOMBE is the way Kikongo was written from the beginning.
    Kikongo use a simetry and rotation in it’s words and meanings that now comes back to life.
    Exemple: in Kongo science of finance the words
    NTALU(price) is the rotation of the word NLUTA(benefits), and NKUTA(merchandise) is the rotation of NTAKU(capital). Capital-merchandise-price-benefits rotate continuously.
    This rotation is also reflected in MANDOMBE MAZITA of 0 degree BA GA DA FA they are symetric and rotational

  36. David Marjanović says:

    I just linked to a paper elsewhere which suggests that there is at least one language in Africa in which “syllable” (as opposed to “mora”) is not a useful concept at all.

    I’ve now read it: the author disagrees with his earlier work that had that conclusion, and states that “syllable” is either useful for one very narrow purpose, or at least he hasn’t been able to explain that one fact otherwise. In other words, “all languages have syllables” and “all languages have CV syllables” are probably true at such a general level that it’s downright boring.

    the Kikongo language that exist for millions of years

    No. Speaking humans probably haven’t existed for more than a single million years, quite possibly less. Kikongo is so closely related to so many other languages that it cannot have been a separate language until a few hundred years ago.

    Looks like MANDOMBE is the way Kikongo was written from the beginning.

    No. Like almost all languages, Kikongo wasn’t written at all until very recently (the 16th century in this case).

  37. Trond Engen says:

    … and not in Mandombe script until 1978. But I don’t think that matters at the mystical level.

  38. Yes, we’re not dealing with a grubber of facts here.

  39. Almeida Samo says:

    Mandombe is both mystical and scientific, it correct the science as we know it. Mandombe has already a bunch of inventions including an astronomical clock with 28 hours day and 70 minutes instead of 60 minutes to be in cynch with a 7 day week. What amaze me is that all the scientific names are in Kikongo and even in their chemistry day mean what they are, and they can be demonstrated by numbers and letters.

  40. David Marjanović says:

    all the scientific names are in Kikongo and even in their chemistry day mean what they are, and they can be demonstrated by numbers and letters.

    I have no idea what you mean; please explain.

  41. Almeida Samo says:

    It’s quite difficult to explain, but mandombe Biggins by learning to change letters into numbers using a scientific method that uses only a 25 letters alphabet. Thereafter it’s letter of the alphabet represented by a number being the letter A number 1 and Z 25. Now I can change any given word into number.
    When we look let’s say the names of the numbers in Kikongo, let’s say ONE in Kikongo is MOSI, if the word MOSI is changed into number, it’s results in 1. Then a pettern develops, where the next number 2 in Kikongo ZOLE, the word ZOLE is 3, next word is 5, 7, 9 . Then we get to number 6 in Kikongo SAMBANU and this word if turned into number is also 6. Just to mention few things.

  42. Almeida Samo says:

    I would like to mention that the 25 letters mandombe alphabet, only the letter Q is excluded because is not used in Kikongo due to it’s place placement wich is at 10th place from Z to A. (Kikongo functions from wright to left and left to wrigh)
    According to MANDOMBE, since 10=1+0=1, the letter Q is a repetition, and also geometrically is the same as the letter O, that is why is not used in Kikongo to bigin with.

  43. David Marjanović says:

    …That’s not science, though. That’s just counting.

  44. Almeida Samo says:

    I am not counting but chaging words into numbers because numbers doesn’t lie, and explaing that the letter Q is not used in Kikongo because it’s the 10th letter from the wright. The 10th letter from the left is J also avoided in Kikongo, and both Q, J fall under the angle of 180 degree with the letters C and X riquiring special consonants named MAZITA MAZINDINGA or migratory sounds.
    According to the true history, the world started in Kongo the center of the world, also known in mandombe as the SINGINI, where all races and languages departed from Kikongo. As people migrated, developed other languages and sounds.
    Since mandombe is a spiritual science, in Kikongo or even Japanese certain sounds are not to be used due to their spiritual power or misfortune.

  45. Almeida Samo says:

    Therefore, the words that describe numbers in Kikongo, corresponde to the number described or follow a pettern of add numbers first from 1 3 5 7 9.
    Its like saying English ONE and use a formula to change the word ONE into a number and the number is also 1.
    Let’s try to change the word ONE into number:
    ONE= O(15), N(14), E(5)
    ONE=15+14+5=34=3+4=7
    Now let’s do it in Kikongo. In Kikongo the number 1 is MOSI
    MOSI=M(13), O(15), S(18), I(9)
    MOSI=13+15+18+9=55=5+5=10=1+0=1

  46. Trond Engen says:

    But that’s the (English version of) the Latin alphabet, and the number and order of letters weren’t finally settled until after the invention of the printing press. Surely Kikongo is older than that? How does the number magic work in Mandombe?

  47. John Cowan says:

    Which reminds me of this amazing (tour de) force:

    Choose a number from 0-99 (actually some numbers like 77 and 87 will not work). Write it down in English words (without hyphens).

    If you have written more than 10 letters, then start over. If not, count how many letters you have written, and write that number down in English words after the first set of words. Count how many letters you have written altogether. If the result is 13, stop.

    If not, count how many letters you have written and write that number down in English words after the first and second sets of words. Count how many letters you have written altogether. It will be 13. So either way you get to 13.

    Examples:

    If you choose 87 you will write EIGHTYSEVEN, which is eleven letters, but EIGHTYSEVENELEVEN is 17 letters, so the trick fails. (There are 18 such numbers.)

    Choose 13 and write down THIRTEEN. You have 8 letters, so write down EIGHT and you have THIRTEENEIGHT, which is 13 letters.

    Choose 7 and write down SEVEN. You have written 5 letters, so write down FIVE, and now you have SEVENFIVE. You now have written 9 letters, so write down NINE and you have SEVENFIVENINE, which is also 13 letters.

    As far as I know there is no other written language in which the trick works.

  48. Trond Engen says:

    Heh! And “Heh!” again. If I’m not mistaken, there are only six numbers that don’t work for TOLV (12) in Norwegian. I’m sure there’s some law involved here.

  49. Trond Engen says:

    And the six meet the rest at 23.

  50. Trond Engen says:

    ENTOFIREÅTTETOLVSEKSTENTJUETRE
    TRESEKSTISEKSTENTJUETRE
    FEMÅTTETOLVSEKSTENTJUETRE
    NIELLEVESYTTENTJUETRE

  51. Trond Engen says:

    I made a stupid error as usual and was very wrong about the six. But all 15 numbers that don’t meet at 12, meet at 11, and they all meet at 23.

  52. David Marjanović says:

    In b4 Scandi-Congo.

  53. David Eddyshaw says:

    Curses!

    Actually, what I was going to say is that we now have another exciting tool for investigating long-range linguistic relationships: Cowan-Engen Number.

  54. Trond Engen says:

    I was too tired to do this last night. I also corrected myself incorrectly. There are 18 numbers not meeting in 12:

    33 35 37 – 44 46 48 – 54 56 58 – 63 65 67 – 74 76 78 – 94 96 98

    They all have 11 letters. 11 and 12 meet in 23. This covers all numbers up to 110.

    111 has 14 letters. Numbers with 13 and 14 letters meet in 21, and they meet the group with 15 letters in 53. But these don’t converge with group 23 for the visible future.

    All numbers up to 1100 are included in these two groups.

  55. Trond Engen says:

    Me: I’m sure there’s some law involved here.

    No law yet, but the chance of two groups meeting at any one number is inversely proportional with the average number length. It’s also postivitely correlated with variance, less clearly with skewness, and likely with kurtosis (“flatness”), but except for blips at the exact hundreds and thousands, average number length will increase while the higher order moments are near constant. Hence, if two series don’t merge before the numbers reach the tens and hundreds, they may follow eachother in lockstep for a long time. Probably not indefinitely, though, since length is basically logarithmic, and the blips come at a constant rate — unless all higher-order number lengths happen to be multiplums of the same number.

    David M.: Scandi-Congo

    My son started looking at Swahili, but he says there are too many four-letter numbers.

  56. Trond Engen says:

    They all have eleven letters

    Aargh! They all have nine letters, Nine and twelve meet in 23. But 9 + NI is 11, and it sounds weirder that 11 and 12 meet in 23.

  57. John Cowan says:

    You can only call them Cowan-Engen numbers by applying Stigler’s Law of Eponymy (not, of course, invented by Stigler). I found out about them by googling for simple examples of forcing in magic.

    In this case the prop would be an analog clock dial with just an hour hand, originally set to midnight but then invisible to the magician. The victim follows instructions which limit the original number to 1-12, all of which meet at 13 in three steps. The magician then reads their mind and announces that the hour hand points to 1, which of course it does.

    Most forces are less reliable than this, of course; they merely raise the odds rather than being a dead certainty.

  58. David Eddyshaw says:

    You can only call them Cowan-Engen numbers by applying Stigler’s Law of Eponymy

    I already had a bad conscience about this. They ought, of course, to be Samo numbers.

    (My error was as bad as my home town’s monument to the Scot who invented television. Any self-respecting Russian can set you right on that point.)

  59. Trond Engen says:

    simple examples of forcing in magic

    Yes. when I presented this for my son, the maths student, he immediately came up with a bunch of examples of how to improve your odds in a seemingly fair setting. His chief lesson is “Never make a bet with a mathematician!”

  60. since length is basically logarithmic

    Change in length is logarithmic, length grows at slightly more than the constant rate.
    If the rule is not Merge, but Replace it will definitely come to a few distinct cases. In Russian, there are 2 obvious point attractors ТРИ(3) and ОДИННАДЦАТЬ(11) and one loop attractor ЧЕТЫРЕ(4->6)->ШЕСТЬ(6->5)->ПЯТЬ(5->4)->ЧЕТЫРЕ. And probably that’s it. English, the short-word language it is, will come to FOUR all the time.

  61. David Eddyshaw says:

    “Never make a bet with a mathematician!”

    Never play cards with a man called Doc.

  62. Trond Engen says:

    D.O.: Change in length is logarithmic, length grows at slightly more than the constant rate.

    Yes. I didn’t define “length”, but meant it as the length of any number spelled out. If we instead use L for the length of the total string and ΔL for the length of the added number, then (the mean of) ΔL is logarithmic, and the chance of merging with another string is inversely proporsional with ΔL.

  63. John Cowan says:

    Never play cards with a man called Doc.

    Never eat at a restaurant called Mom’s.

    And never sleep with a [POTAS] whose troubles are worse than your own.

    —Nelson Algren

    Note that the first two lines constitute a snowclone.

  64. Almeida Samo says:

    Well, if the numbers and letters are Roman or Greek, why they work perfectly in Kikongo other than any other languages? I tried that same experiment in other languages but it just doesn’t work.
    The words of numbers in Kikongo, also much with the 7 days of creation in the Bible.
    The SAMBANU(six) or the sixth day the JEWISH pray, makes more sense in Kikongo, because SAMBA mean to pray and ANU , is the supposed SUMERIAN GOD.
    SAMBANU mean…WE PRAY ANU ON THE SIXTH DAY.
    The wine they drink when they pray in kikongo is named MBASA, just the rotation of the word SAMBA(prayer)
    I can go on and on with this.

  65. David Eddyshaw says:

    [POTAS]

    I would never sleep with a Promoter Of a Tax Avoidance Scheme. I have standards. (Never kissed a Tory …)

  66. @John Cowan: When I used to drive from Boston to Cincinnati a couple times per year, I made a point to, if possible, stop for dinner at Mom’s Dutch Kitchen. They had good food, not expensive, and excellent desserts for a song.

  67. I don’t care how good the desserts are, I’m not singing in public (unless I’m drunk, which presumably I wouldn’t be at Mom’s).

  68. January First-of-May says:

    Change in length is logarithmic, length grows at slightly more than the constant rate.
    If the rule is not Merge, but Replace it will definitely come to a few distinct cases. In Russian, there are 2 obvious point attractors ТРИ(3) and ОДИННАДЦАТЬ(11) and one loop attractor ЧЕТЫРЕ(4->6)->ШЕСТЬ(6->5)->ПЯТЬ(5->4)->ЧЕТЫРЕ. And probably that’s it.

    OTOH, the Merge rule gets some weird results. I did a preliminary calculation in Notepad (not 100% confident of it), and as far as I can tell, the branches starting from 1 (ОДИН) and 2 (ДВА) don’t merge until they reach respectively length 812 and 811, both of which transform to 831.

    By this point – indeed by the time the length passes 200 – any other number up to 60 letters long would already have merged into one or the other branch. I hadn’t checked further.

     

    EDIT: for cross-checking…

    Lengths starting from 1:

    4-10-16-27-39-53-65-79-94-109-118-133-147-159-177-193-208-220-234-254-275-294-315-331-349-366-387-408-423-443-461-484-510-523-541-557-577-597-617-635-655-676-698-721-740-752-771-791-811-831

    Lengths starting from 2:

    3-6-11-22-33-44-55-68-84-101-108-117-130-141-153-168-187-205-215-231-249-266-287-308-320-334-354-375-394-415-434-457-479-503-513-530-545-561-582-603-614-634-656-678-701-712-729-750-766-788-812-831

    Just as predicted by Trond Engen, they do indeed follow each other in near-lockstep for a while until the fluctuations happen to line up just right for a merge.

  69. David Marjanović says:

    ANU , is the supposed SUMERIAN GOD

    No, Anu is not the Sumerian god, because the Sumerians believed in a whole lot of gods and goddesses.

    I can go on and on with this.

    Why are dogs man’s best friend?

    Because dog is God backwards. That has often been pointed out, and it works only in English.

  70. January First-of-May says:

    ANU , is the supposed SUMERIAN GOD

    The Russian version of that kind of word decipherings tend to rather include the Egyptian deity Ra, particularly because his name is easier to work into random words.
    Of course realistically a Russian version should feature Russian gods, and a theoretical Kikongo version should probably feature Likongo Bukongo (?) gods (assuming that’s a thing).

    (…Um, it’s Likongo, right? I know it’s not Kikongo, but I keep getting confused by all those Bantu prefixes for different forms of the same root. Bakongo is the noun, I think, but what’s the adjective?)
    (Wikipedia tells me that the noun is actually Esikongo, and that in this particular context the correct form appears to be Bukongo.)

  71. David Eddyshaw says:

    “Kikongo” is OK, in fact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongo_language

    The usage is different in otherwise quite similar Bantu languages. Lingala originated actually as a (European) mistake: in Lingala itself, language names take ki- (just as they do in kiSwahili and Chichewa): the name of the language itself is the sole exception.

    The lu- of Luganda etc looks like it ought to be cognate with the -li noun class suffix of Western Oti-Volta language names (like “Kusaal”), and indeed probably actually is cognate; but it can hardly be reconstructed back to Volta-Congo (even) in that specific meaning, given that lots of Oti-Volta language and Bantu languages use different noun class suffixes/prefixes for that purpose (though normally the same one for all languages in each case.)

    Bu is usually “abstract” (turns up as u in Swahili.) That one does have a pretty unequivocal cognate in Oti-Volta.

    The additional vowel prefixed-to-the-prefix is a more southern African thing: the most familiar example to many of us is probably ubuntu, the quality of being an umuntu “human being”, plural abantu.

  72. David Eddyshaw says:

    The “language” affix in both Bantu and Oti-Volta languages is often one also used for adverbs, reasonably enough: you don’t speak “English” so much as “Englishly.” This of course common cross-linguistically.

  73. Lingala originated actually as a (European) mistake: in Lingala itself, language names take ki- (just as they do in kiSwahili and Chichewa)

    Weird. How did they come up with “Lingala” if the language prefix was ki-?

  74. OED (updated 1976) has:

    Etymology: < Lingala liNgala.

    So liNgala is actually Eurofake Lingala?

  75. David Eddyshaw says:

    Weird. How did they come up with “Lingala” if the language prefix was ki-?

    By mistaken analogy from Bantu languages they (missionaries, European administrators) were familiar with that do use li for language names.

    The actual “real” name of the the language is/was Bangala, which properly speaking ought to be an ethnonym. That was actually a European invention too, but an earlier one …

    This is all to do with the fascinating history of Lingala, which began life as as a local lingua franca, Lobangi. When the horribly misnamed Congo Free State took over the region in 1879, the Europeans largely interacted with the local people via intermediaries (interpreters, soldiers, porters) who were Africans from elsewhere, notably Zanzibar, the Comoros, and Tanganyika. These intermediaries learnt local varieties of the Lobangi lingua franca, simplifying it in the process. Europeans eventually started learning this language, which became the effective interlanguage for a huge region.

    When missionaries started to think of translating into Lingala, they discovered to their dismay that it didn’t have lots of things that they had grown to know and love about Bantu languages (like extensive grammatical gender agreement) and set out to “correct” this by analogy with “proper” Bantu. They were successful to the extent of creating an artificial literary language, which some people actually ended up even speaking. However, most locals and virtually all non-missionary Europeans just ignored all the “improvements.” They came up with the name Lingala, which is only attested from about 1903.

    The result of all this was a language which (as I’ve said before) is rather like what Esperanto might have been like if Zamenhof had been from the Congo instead of Byalistok, and had consequently felt that natural universal human language features were things like tone rather than consonant clusters and noun classes rather than cases.

    Lingala is a sort-of creole, but this statement doesn’t give a very good idea of what it’s like. It doesn’t do the Bantu gender-agreement thing, but it still has the usual noun-class panoply, and it has the whole Bantu shebang of very productive stackable verb-deriving suffixes with causative, passive, applicative meanings etc etc. Basically the people who created the real pre-missionary language kept all the stuff that was familiar from all their own African languages, just factoring out the stuff that didn’t match across langauages.

    There is an anecdote about a Belgian nun who had been working for years in a hospital in Congo. One night the hospital caught fire. When the people were evacuating the patients, she heard the Congolese talking to one another in a language she didn’t know; on enquiring later, she discovered it was in fact the local language,

    “But I thought you spoke Lingala! Whose language is Lingala then?”
    “We thought it was the the language of les blancs! So what language do you speak, Sister?”

  76. Good lord, what a story!

  77. John Cowan says:

    WP implies (without actually saying so) that Lingala is a semicreole with lots of borrowings, and contrasts it with Kituba, which is a creole form of Kikongo with few borrowings.

  78. David Eddyshaw says:

    I’ve only recently become aware (such is my ignorance of these matters) that “semicreole” is actually a technical term of art (as opposed to a sort of fudge), albeit a somewhat contentious one:

    https://www.academia.edu/7756184/Mesolects_as_the_Norm_The_Semi-Creole_Revisted

    to cite perennial LH favourite J**n McW*****r, who – inevitably – isn’t having any of it.

    I think it’s fair at any rate to say that along any axis of this sort, Lingala is more like English than it’s like Tok Pisin, say.

  79. David Eddyshaw says:

    Semicreole fudge is probably quite tasty, come to think of it.

  80. Stu Clayton says:

    Is that fudged creole ? It’s hard to follow along at home on such matters.

  81. David Eddyshaw says:

    Le fudge demi-créole. I think it’s a Cajun thing.

  82. Almeida Samo says:

    Kikongo is the first language spoken on Earth, according to Bukongo(Kongo science) Kikongo gave birth to all languages on Earth, even the English language.
    According to Bukongo, all this languages are codified in Kikongo.
    After a did a research on this, i fond many English words related to Kikongo.
    Exemple: CONGRESS.
    The word CONGRESS in Kikongo is KONGA, directly related to KONGO, and KONGA in kikongo means to CONGRAGATE.
    The other English word is EMBASSY, in Kikongo MBASI meaning ENVOY.
    The word COOK. In Kikongo KUKU being the 3 rocks used for cooking.
    There are many words mostly in Latin originated in Kikongo.

  83. Almeida Samo says:

    Now, in Mandombe there is a GRADE called KONDE, where we can mark all the 26 letters of the supposed Roman alphabet and all the 10 numbers.
    The Mandombe BISIMBA(vowels) also comes from this grade. Looks like whoever extracted the supposed Roman alphabet from this grade, left the Mandombe BISIMBA.
    The most interesting thing about this, is the KONDE grade is made out of 8 axes, and if the word KONGO is changed into numbers, is equal number 8. The other famous country that fond equals 8 is ISRAEL.

  84. Almeida Samo says:

    The Sumarian God ANU, in Kikongo is fond in the number 5 T(ANU), and 6 SAMB(ANU)
    In Bukongo there are 2 God’s in which all Kongo philosophy is based up on:

    ANU and ADI

    The God ADI is fond in the number 7 NSAMBU(ADI)

    This 2 words: ANU and ADI, are rotated into ADI/DIA, and ANU/NUA.
    DIA in Kikongo means to EAT, and NUA means to DRINK.
    All Kongo philosophy is based on EAT and DRINK.
    The God ADI/ DIA gives us the word DIA or DAY or light. In Bukongo ADI is the first light created.

  85. Almeida Samo says:

    I also fond many Kongo artifacts at the University of Iowa, including many Jesus statues supposed to be of the 1500 century, saying that the new Kongo converts into Christianity we’re just copying the Europeans, but the Kongo Jesus is black, with completely different details, that made me believe he predated the Europeans.
    Now I came to a conclusion that the true KONGO history was intentionally thrown under the carpet.

  86. David Eddyshaw says:

    Some old friends there: Kusaal di “eat”, nu “drink”, anu “five.” Someone might easily get the impression that the languages were in some way related.

    In Kusaal, adi means “he who has eaten” and anu means “he who has drunk.” Kusaal is evidently the origin of all other languages (as I’ve suspected all along.)

    The Kusaasi have lived where they do now since before records began, so it all fits.

  87. David Eddyshaw says:

    Kusaal is evidently the origin of all other languages

    Even Dutch.

  88. David Marjanović says:

    *making popcorn for everyone*

  89. Almeida Samo says:

    The KONGO empire goes all the way to Ghana, according to the BUKONGO. Ghana is called MAZIMBA NGANA, Egypt MAZIMBA MBUDI, Ethiopia MAZIMBA NKUSU(now Kush). KONGO goes as far as Japan, The SUOMI people of Filand, and the SINA LOWA( Mexico)
    According to the Bukongo, the God who created this universe is called MBUMBA LOWA came from Sirius star system called in Kikongo ZITA DIA NZA or NZILA ZOMBO . All the planets and stars have scientific names in Kikongo.

  90. David Eddyshaw says:

    The KONGO empire goes all the way to Ghana

    That explains it, then.

  91. Trond Engen says:

    Egypt MAZIMBA MBUDI

    Surely this is Tibet.

  92. David Eddyshaw says:

    It couldn’t be. Tibet is part of the Roman Empire, as we have discussed elsewhere. It owes its name to the renowned modesty and decency (pudor) of the hardy mountaineers who inhabit that country.

  93. Rodger C says:

    Ave Gesar!

  94. Almeida Samo says:

    I am sure Tibet is also part of the KONGO empire, even Hong Kong. I fond it interesting that in Japan there is an ancient entreprise called KONGO GUMI, and the Japanese language is called NIHONGO, like a spin-off of NEKONGO as the KONGO people throughout the world are called..
    Let’s go back to Hong Kong.
    In Bukongo as I have said previously, all the consonants are followed by a vowel, this concept came to life with MANDOMBE that scientifically explains why every consonant should be followed by a vowel, exept only when pronouncing a nasal sound like NZA.
    When it comes to words like HONG KONG, according to the BUKONGO, a KONG without a vowel is still a KONGO in the making. The same logic can be applied to the KING. When we say KING, in the other way it means KONGO.
    In Bukongo the consonants conceals the messages hiden in the vowels and we can pretty much write with only consonants. Thefore KING or KONG is KNG just as Kongo.

  95. David Marjanović says:

    the Japanese language is called NIHONGO

    That’s nihon meaning “Japan” + go meaning “language”. And Japan itself is ni meaning “sun” and hon meaning “root”, because Japan is “the root of the sun” if you look in its general direction from China – all three parts of nihongo are Chinese in origin.

    Has it really never occurred to you that you have no clue what you’re talking about…?

    When it comes to words like HONG KONG, according to the BUKONGO, a KONG without a vowel is still a KONGO in the making.

    Ah, but it’s not just the vowel at the end that’s missing. The [g] is missing, too, and has been for thousands of years; both syllables of Hong Kong end in [ŋ].

    And why would KONGO be just a port…? Hong Kong means “smelling harbour”.

    The same logic can be applied to the KING.

    Just a thousand years ago, that word was cyning. It did actually end in [g], though (which it doesn’t anymore in most kinds of English).

  96. PlasticPaddy says:

    So Kongsberg in Norway is “the mountain of the NEKONGO”. I suppose they were on their way to the north pole, reaching it many years before the first European.

  97. Trond Engen says:

    Predicting that much later a couple of lucky cowherds should find silver in the hills* and the king establish a mining town down by the river.

    *) Rather: Find enough for it to be interesting and be caught while trying to sell it off (rather than report it), thus ending a long history of small scale private silver mining.

  98. The part about Kongo extending to Finland is very interesting, clearly a partly garbled recollection of ancient refugees escaping the Finno-Korean Hyperwar. This can seen from how KONGO is a contraction of the more symmetric OKO ONGO (the most symmetric version would be OKO ONO OGO), which can be read as “is it good” in Finnish. KONGO has been a safe haven from the terrors that left the northern continents barren and unhospitable. Your MBUMBA LOWA proves the same, since this is a corruption of more symmetric UMBU AMBA OLOWA = “full-of shooting being”. A name fit for a leader of people fed up with fighting! Both in its meaning and in how this is already no longer the fully symmetric AMA ABA UMU UBU OLO AWA.

    The rotation you have found in ADI / DIA is certainly only a reflection of the more symmetric original Hyperwar Finnish ADA AIA, corrupted certainly already during the Hyperwar in two different ways. They can be seen in a consolidated form in modern Finnish ATERIA = “meal” = the time of the eating. We find this proven by how the similar ANU / NUA is therefore also more symmetric ANA AUA which is = “give water”, unquestionably the same as “drink”.

  99. David Marjanović says:

    the Finno-Korean Hyperwar

    *snort*

    Day saved.

  100. Almeida Samo says:

    Well, I never been to Finland, Japan or Hong Kong, all I know is Bukongo. Now for a tradition tough to be a local tribe, and now comes with an advanced science such as Mandombe, unlike anything known before, makes me question everything I know.
    The Finnish language is called SUOMI, and it’s sounds like a Bantu language.
    The word SUOMI, using the KONGO method of VILU VILU, can be also MOSI or SIMO, from the root word SM.
    That is why KIMBANGU is called SIMON (SM) MOSI/SIMO.
    Now, MOSI is ONE, SIMO it means THE OHER SIDE.
    According to BUKONGO, the (M) in MOSI, are TWO 1s facing each other, one 1 is MOSI and other 1 is SIMO. When you write a number 1, if you look it in the mirror you see the other side of MOSI/SIMO.
    Therefore all the ISMO such as CAPITAL(ISMO) have the essence of MOSI/SIMO KIMBANGU.
    In Bukongo this world is called KONGO and the world of the dead is SIMO KONGO meaning the other side of KONGO.
    Scientifically we use a mirror to explain this method. When we look at 1 in the mirror we form the letter M. This world is a reflection of the real world SIMO KONGO

  101. If all you know is Bukongo and now you are questioning everything you know, does it mean that you are questioning Bukongo?

  102. David Marjanović says:

    0.5 Tc and rising. (Keep in mind the scale is logarithmic.)

  103. Almeida Samo says:

    No. I’m questioning the main stream knowledge, because Bukongo explains it precisely. Even the current Roman alphabet and numbers, the Bukongo explains them better.
    For exemple: M is two 1s facing each other for reason. The number 8 is two 3s facing each other also for a specific reason, rather scientific.
    The letter Q as no real value because is the 10th letter from the left so is the letter J is the 10th letter from the right, Kikongo doesn’t use neither Q nor J explaning that the number 10 is just a repetition of number 1, also Q geometrically is the same as O. The little tail that is added to it is naive, of a system that have not a clue how sounds are created.

  104. Almeida Samo says:

    MANDOMBE VOCABULARY

    MANDOMBE- Ndombe=Negro.
    MVUALA- like Consonants
    SINGINI- Departure Point
    PAKUNDUNGU- The 5 like shaped element
    PELEKETE- The 2 like shaped element
    MPAMBA- Simple
    NKENGE, Nkandu, Nsona, Konzo- KONGO 4 particles Universes.
    NSIMBA, Nzuzi, Nlandu, Lukombo, Nsukula, Katumua- KONGO twins born, and after twins born, as functions of Mandombe.
    YIKAMU- The element that turn 5 and 2 into 6 or 9, also rotated to create angles
    MPILUKA- Reverse
    MPIPITA- Complex
    BUTILA- To give birth MVUALA of Zero degree
    KISIMBA- To hold. A vowel that hold the angle of a consonant.
    MAZITA- Ties or sillabs. Primordial sounds of creation
    NKOMA-NKOMA- To insert
    VITA- Proceed
    KIMPA- Game
    MABIKA- Declination of the Moon
    KONDE- Basket used to catch things. In Mandombe is a grade used find geometric shapes
    KIMEME- Goat sound. In Mandombe as a prolonged sounds
    KIBABA- Deaf sounds like BAGDAD pronounced from throat
    BINSINSU- KONGO geometric signs
    NTENTIA- Pontuation sign
    BINDIENGILA- Words looking like SCALES. Consonants Clusters.
    KINZUNU- Nasal
    KIASIKILA- stable
    KIAKUBUKA- Words forming a architectural shapes like NZAMBI(God) if written in Mandombe
    NSAKUAMESO- Torment of eyes. Lowercase writting.
    NINGU-Ton
    NINGU A ZULU- Ascendent ton(Zulu sky)
    NINGU A NSI- Descendent ton ( NSI Earth)

  105. Almeida Samo says:

    Mandombe starts from a theorem stating that: the placement of bricks by the bricklayers, create a pattern that looks like 5 and 2. The two elements are simetric to each other. If 5 is looked in the mirror turns into 2 and 2 turns into 5.
    Later a 3 element HIKAMU was discovered that turns 5 and 2 into 6 and 9.
    The HIKAMU is turned half of it’s length to mesure various degrees: Zero degree as the SUN at 6 am, a person standing at sun has a long shadow.
    The 45 degree angle SUN at 10 am short shadow.
    The 90 degree Sun at NOON the person steps on his own shadow.
    The 135 degree, the shadow pass to the other side 2 pm.
    The 180 degree Sun at 6 pm long shadow (Not used for writing. Related to the KONGO twin KATUMUA)
    KATUMUA = Not to be used. Sounds: C, X Q

  106. I don’t quite understand what does hikamu mean. Is it a character made up of 3 elements? What are those 3 elements?
    And when you say “creating a pattern that looks like a 2 and 5”, are you referring to the bricks or to the mortar between the bricks?

  107. PlasticPaddy says:

    Was Joshua “Umafukufuku” NKOMO inserted in this world from another? Or does this name mean NKOMO was possessed by a demon (this is not apparent from photographs)? And what does UMAFUKUFUKU mean?

  108. Almeida Samo says:

    HIKAMU is just a line that gives the 5 or 2 a sixth side. Remember Mandombe uses a square 5 and 2 fond in the Brick wall. Mandombe has is own numbers quite different from the numbers we use. Therefore the squared 5 and 2 are new scientific elements discovered from a brick wall.

  109. David Marjanović says:

    M is not to 1s. It is much older than the shape 1. It is also older than its own current shape. Its oldest shape is a drawing of waves – because the word for “water” throughout the Semitic languages starts with [m].

    The alphabet has a history.

    new scientific elements discovered from a brick wall

    …???

  110. This is getting confusing:
    Is hikamu a character resembling a 5 or a 2?
    What does this mean: “a line that gives the 5 or 2 a sixth side”? What sixth side? What are the other five sides?
    What does “a 3 element HIKAMU” mean? What are the 3 elements?

    There is a table on the wikipedia page under the subheading “Examples”. The group 1 consonant in the first column of that table looks a bit like a 5. Is that a hikamu?
    Or is hikamu the group 2 consonant that looks a bit like a 9?
    Or does hikamu refer to the stroke that is added to the “5” character to make it look like a “9” character?

    What does this mean: “Later a 3 element HIKAMU was discovered”? If hikamu is a line, how is a line discovered? You just draw a line, you don’t need to discover it. Why was it discovered later? Does this mean that the script was developed piecemeal?

  111. Almeida Samo says:

    I don’t remember using the word UMAFUKUFUKU, but FUKU in Kikongo means TRASH DISPOSAL. If written backward KUFU means to DIED.
    Meaning when one is died(Kufu), is thrown at disposal (Fuku)
    FUKU
    KUFU

  112. “The alphabet has a history”

    Absolutely right. And so do numerals. The numeral 1 originally just consisted of a vertical stroke: I. That is how it is still written (written out by hand) in Australia.

    The little diagonal stroke at the top was a pen flourish that was added much later, after the adoption of Arabic numerals in Europe.

    “when one is died(Kufu), is thrown at disposal (Fuku)”

    Really? There are no funeral rites, you just chuck the body out into the dump?

  113. Almeida Samo says:

    Yes HIKAMU is just a stroke that turn 5 into 9, but a 5 with a square shape that has 5 sides. Table on Wikipedia the characters are already composed. Each character can be broken into pieces, and HIKAMU is one of those pieces.
    If you draw a squared 5, not this round 5 with a belly, you will notice it’s 5 sides. Or just mark this 5 with QTIPS .

  114. Almeida Samo says:

    The word SEMETIC derived from Kikongo:
    SEMA mean to create or to speak.
    NSEMI means creator
    MASE means water
    SEMI Pregnancy
    And gives us the word SEMEN(spermatozoid)
    It’s root word is SM or MS, SIMO MOSI and MOSI is 1. When you look 1 in the mirror, you you see the the back facing 1 that forms the later M
    KIKONGO and Mandombe is very practical.

  115. Almeida Samo says:

    The Brick wall is where Mandombe starts. It’s a progressive science, one thing leads to another. You can look into any unpaved BRICK WALL like the houses with red brick in England, and you will see that the PLACEMENT of bricks one on top of another, leaves behind a PATTERN 525252. QUARED 5 and 2 that is.

  116. David Marjanović says:

    The actual Latin word semen means “seed”. And so, incidentally, does the Greek word sperma. Their use to describe animal reproduction is just a metaphor.

  117. PlasticPaddy says:

    I believe almeida is correct and we have hit a brick wall.

  118. Almeida Samo says:

    The Latin language also derived from Kikongo. Africa is the birth place of humanity, that means all the languages and science comes from Africa, precisely in KONGO, and KONGO build Egypt. All the Egyptian science still exists in Kikongo language.
    KONGO means the center of the world and the Galaxy of milk way true name in Kikongo is Galaxy of NZILA ZOMBO.
    KONGO is where the Equador and the Meridian crosses creating the CHRISTIAN CROSS that everyone is PIMPING.

  119. OK I think we are getting somewhere – at least regarding the script itself.
    A hikamu is a line or a stroke. I see that you earlier called it a Yikamu. Is there a difference between hikamu and yikamu?

    Does that mean that the PAKUNDUNGU (character resembling a 5) is composed of 5 hikamus?

    Or is hikamu only used as a name for the little vertical line that turns the character resembling a 5 into a character resembling a 9?

    What does this mean: “a 3 element HIKAMU”? What are the 3 elements?

  120. Almeida Samo says:

    Ok, as I said MANDOMBE starts from a 5 and 2 shaped like characters fond in the BRICK WALL. If you can verify that, then we can get down to the NEEDY GREEDY of the Mandombe science.
    The HIKAMU is a stroke added to these characters to create the sixth side. Then, a 9 shaped character is added to a 5 shaped character creating a new character looking like a SWASTIKA that is the MVUALA of ZERO degree named MVUALA BUTILA(born) that will give birth to the subsequent characters of 45° 90° 135° and 180°.
    On the MVUALA BUTILA, the HIKAMU is hidden in the very middle line or the SUN at 6 am(long shadow). At 45 ° the HIKAMU is put into motion MAZITA of the 2nd group. SUN at 10 am.
    At 90° the HIKAMU is flat like laying a PEN on the table SUN at NOON stepping on your own shadow MAZITA of the 3rd group.
    At 135° the HIKAMU bends down. The SUN crosses to the afternoon short shadow to the other side. MAZITA of the 4th group.
    The SWASTIKA looking shape, can also be broken into 2 pieces: a SQUARE and a STICK the square named NSI KONGO (KONGO Land) and the STICK is named NZILA KONGO(The route to the KONGO Land).
    This swastika like Character born out of the 5 and 9 or PAKUNDUNGU family, if looked in the mirror will give us it’s simetry or PELEKETE family or 2

  121. David Marjanović says:

    Which meridian?

    It really is all very similar to the Time Cube…

  122. Almeida Samo says:

    The Meridian is the line that divides the earth in the half, East and West. It passes through KONGO and not where it was put. The Equator divides earth North/South. The 2 Lines meet in KONGO forming a cross with 4 quandrant . These 4 quandrant in Mandombe are: NKENGE, NSONA, NKANDU, KONZO, are also subatomic particles Universes.
    In Mandombe each 1 of the 5 vowel has 4 positions, in the total of 20 vowels, reflecting those 4 positions.
    The Greenwich Merdian as it’s called, passes through KONGO and ROME Italy. Not England as the English put in their flag.
    ROME is ROMA. If you rearrange the letters, you get the word AMOR ou love. The LOVE of God will manifest in ROME to create the western civilization.

  123. David Eddyshaw says:

    The Greenwich Meridian passes through Ghana. Hence the name.

  124. David Marjanović says:

    The Meridian is the line that divides the earth in the half, East and West.

    Every shortest line that connects the poles is a meridian and does this.

    The Greenwich Merdian as it’s called, passes through KONGO and ROME Italy. Not England as the English put in their flag.

    The Greenwich Meridian passes through Greenwich by definition. That puts it in the Atlantic far off KONGO, and also far west of ROME. (It does pass through Ghana.)

  125. Kongo was the favourite weapon of Modesty Blaise.
    What is the etymology?

  126. zyxt: Isn’t Modesty Blaise supposed be completely mysterious?

  127. Almeida Samo says:

    Ghana is where the watered down science put it, but I am showing you the real KONGO science that build Egypt.
    If the Meridian was in Ghana, the Ghanian will be the ones that speak Kikongo, the language that puts words in the cross, and they will have the MANDOMBE 52 science Wich is based in the Greenwich Merdian.
    I can demonstrate this scientifically that is KONGO and pin point it.

  128. Almeida Samo says:

    Let me show you the function of the Merdian. When you draw a VERTICAL CROSS, then you but another diagonal cross on top of it like you see in the flag of England. At the center of that Cross is KONGO. Now you have 8 arrows in that Cross. The number 8 is numerical value of the word Kongo. KONGO= 11+15+14+7+15=62. Since there are only 10 numbers and the rest is a repetition, we reduce 62 into a one digit number by adding it. 62=6+2=8
    Now, the cross has 4 quandrant, we will number each quandrant from 1 to 4, and use a scientific formula to prove what I am saying.

    1 2 3 4
    2 3 4 1
    3 4 1 2
    4 1 2 3

    As you can see, all the identical numbers disposed themselves diagonally. In relationship with the diagonal cross of Kongo. You can Google the flag of the KONGO kingdom, before it was invaded by the Europeans and broken in 3 pieces: Congo Zaire, Congo Brazzaville and Angola in order to suppress this science.

  129. Almeida Samo says:

    Now, you remember that MVUALA BUTILA or the swastika like Character? Break that character in 2 pieces, you get a rectangle (Nsi a KONGO) and a stick (Nzila KONGO). Take the rectangle and draw the vertical Cross and the diagonal cross in inside that rectangle. Now you have the KONDE, where you can fetch all the letters of the so called Roman alphabet and the 10 numbers using your own imagination, just overdrawing every letter and numbers. You can even create your own characters.

  130. Almeida Samo says:

    Now the true Merdian and Equador lines, crosses where the KONGO river follows into the Atlantic after CRISSCROSSING the Equador twice, making it the only River in the world that crosses the Equador twice.
    Then it will deliver 90.000 cubic meters of water per second, making the water neither salty nor sweet in that area. The 90.000 means the 90° angle that each quandrant of the cross forms. Also 9 months of pregnancy. The number 9 in Kikongo is a spirit. Always disappear if added with any number leaving only the number that was added to it.
    Exemple: 9+1=10=1+0=1; 9+5=14=1+4=5…

  131. Almeida Samo says:

    The Mandombe science and the KONGO science is revealed by Simon Kimbangu. He is the God who created this Universe and living among the people using different bodies since the beginning of times. He call himself as the God of ODD and even numbers.
    Still that MVUALA BUTILA can also be interpreted as 9 to the power of 5 egual 59049
    If we dived 59049÷205+38=243 as the country code of Congo RDC
    Why dived to 205+38? Well 205 is the numerical value of the words PAKUNDUNGU and PELEKETE and 205=2+0+5=25 as the 5 and 2. And 38 is the numerical value of the word DIEU(God) in French the language of RDC.

  132. A hikamu is a line or a stroke.

    Hokamu, hikamu
    Man is polikamu,
    Hikamu hokamu
    Woman monokamu.

  133. Almeida Samo says:

    HIKAMU derived from a verb to hika, mean to join 2 sides together. HIKAMU is the BENJAMIN FRANKLIN bridge connecting Philadelphia and Candem New Jersey.
    In Mandombe a bytander at 6 am sees the bridge in it’s full length 0°
    At 10 am he/she sees half of it length on the New Jersey side 45°. At noon, is lunch time. The bridge disappear 90°. At 2 pm he/she sees half of the bridge on the Philadelphia side 135°. At 6 pm he/she is forbidden to look at the bridge.” it’s the law” 180°

  134. Almeida Samo says:

    I think I beat that HIKAMU horse to death. Now bring the KIDIENGILA.
    KIDIENGILA has 10 letters. In Bukongo whenever you see words with 10 letters, you really need to pay attention.
    KIMBANGU named is 3 sons with 10 letters names:
    KISOLOKELE
    DIALUNGANA
    DIANGIENDA
    All together 30 letters as the 30 years Kimbangu will stay in prison.
    The name KIMBANGU if written in mandombe and turn it upside-down, now will read PRISONER. Yes Mandombe let you turn things upside-down and read something different.

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